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What happens when achievement, control, and constant motion finally break down? In this deeply reflective episode of Joey Pinz Conversations, Joey Pinz sits down with former professional table tennis player and performance coach Jure Koscak to explore chronic pain, nervous system regulation, emotional maturity, and the hidden cost of living in survival mode.

Raised in Slovenia and now living in Punta Cana, Jure shares how years of overtraining, relentless pressure, and internal tension eventually led to severe chronic pain and a complete rethinking of life. Through clinical somatics, breathwork, slowing down, and self-awareness, he discovered a new path centered on presence instead of performance.

This conversation dives into subconscious patterns, stress, trauma, healing, relationships, and why many high performers struggle to relax even after reaching success. Jure also explains how modern life disconnects us from our bodies — and why slowing down may be the key to clarity, health, and emotional freedom.

If you’ve ever felt overwhelmed, stuck in your own head, or constantly chasing the next outcome, this episode will challenge the way you think about success, pressure, and what it means to truly live.

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  • 🧠 How the nervous system silently controls behavior and stress 
  • 🌴 Why moving to Punta Cana transformed Jure’s mindset and life 
  • ⚡ The connection between chronic pain, emotional tension, and overachievement 

 

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SPEAKER_04

Jure Kozak. Fascinating discussion. Jure. Um, raised in the former Yugoslavia, now Slovenia, uh, all his rearing age before 18 were all there. We find out a lot about him driven. His parents were hard workers, seldom in the home, and what drove him. He was always very uh solution-oriented, right? Tried to find solutions, played a lot of sports outside, found the passion uh eventually for table tennis, became uh nationally, uh internationally, I should say, ranked, uh, but had a hip injury and learned the hard way, how to slow down. Moved to Punta Cana, uh, Dominican Republic almost 15 years ago, where he also just learned to slow down. Now he helps other athletes in just that and learning how to oh, we talk about trying to understand the self-conscious, talk about what it's like to slow down and to see everything and fascinating, fascinating insight and viewpoint on how Yure did it and how he helps others with it. Really, really enjoyed my conversation. Thank you so much, appreciate it, and thank you. Hi, I'm Joey Pins. And here's my 45-second introduction. After starting my business in the 90s, I started developing poor habits of eating in my diet because of working way too much. Before you know it, I found myself 340 pounds. The doctor told me if I don't lose the weight, I'm not gonna see my daughter graduate. Took the next seven months, lost 130 pounds. People think there's some secret. Ask me, how'd you lose that weight? Like there's some secret. There is no secret. How'd I lose the weight? Just one word. Discipline. I've had other successes in life, and I attribute them all to discipline. Now I'm not the king of discipline, but I believe that it can help all of us. Friends, colleagues convinced me to start a podcast. The podcast mission: how do we better ourselves and society? I talked to interesting people in health, fitness, sport, wellness, business, technology, science, art and culture. And I eventually asked them how discipline plays a role in their life. Podcast vision, growth through learning from others. What's your favorite spy series? You're into spy series.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, I like uh all the series or the Hercual Poirot detective kind of style. I like those kind of things. Spy, I don't know, CIA, you know, all these things happening around the world. Uh, then Teheran, the Apple series. I like this kind of intriguing kind of thriller. I don't like horror. I don't like uh, I even don't like romantic hallmark movies because I get so emotional. So I prefer spy because that's what I can, you know, uh intellectually approach.

SPEAKER_03

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SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like uh in it. I'm solving it. I'm looking, what's gonna happen next? In in in emotional movies, I know. Why is he like that? Why is she thinking? I'm like emotionally intrigued. That's my default. I help people, you know, emotionally. So right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_04

You follow so you're in Puntucana now, Dominican Republic. Yeah, what's a perfect morning look like there? It's so beautiful there.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, waking up early, that's depending. If it's winter time, it's around six because the sunrise is around seven. If it's summertime, the the sunrise is around six, so I need to wake up at five. And then I go to the beach, which takes me, which takes me about 10 to 15 minutes. I come to the beach, no one's there, no one. The most amazing beach. I don't know why people don't go to the beach in the morning. And I just have the whole ocean, uh, the whole sunrise just for me, and the birds and the palm trees, and I do exercises, I meditate, I go in the water, or I just sit right. I take a lot of photos, videos.

SPEAKER_03

That's wonderful.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And you're not answering emails or texting or no, I have in my mind.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I need to send this uh sunrise to someone later, Yure, not now. Focus on yourself.

SPEAKER_04

So tell me about yourself before the age of 18, Yure. What were you like? What drove you back then? Were you solving puzzles then too?

SPEAKER_00

Um, yes, I can take you back to the age of five when I already formed the football team in my backyard. Really? Um, because I wanted to be a leader. I always felt I needed to be uh sometimes somehow somehow like that. And I have a memory that I was observing, I was five, six years of age, and I was observing my dad how he is a father, and that like getting notes in my mental side that I'm gonna be a father one day, which I am going to be in a matter of weeks. So yeah, thank you. So being curious, outgoing, adventurous, uh just a kid, you know, playing in the backyard. We had a big, big park that was connected to 30-ish houses with a backyard, and then in the middle was a park, and then it was another backyard and houses. So we were playing all the time there. We were playing baseball, we were playing uh catch me, football, uh, soccer, that is. Um, so all games. Yeah, and when I was 18, I just wanted to win. I just wanted to win uh a girl, I just wanted to win a table tennis match. You're naturally competitive? Yeah, yeah. All the time. Winning was the main goal. Whether it was riding a bike, whether it was uh throwing darts, whatever, winning.

SPEAKER_04

And siblings, brothers and sisters, where are you?

SPEAKER_00

Uh older sister.

SPEAKER_04

Older younger, yeah. Yeah. So were you trying to were you competing with her? Did she drive you?

SPEAKER_00

No, because it was we have almost seven years of uh difference. It was more I don't know, my parents were quite permissive. I had rules that saw stuff, but I just went my way. I think my my soul, my destiny, my character is so strong, not in the ego sense, but my drive that I don't think many anyone could could um could retain or obtain me.

SPEAKER_04

Why table tennis? Where'd you get your love there? You're world ranked at one point.

SPEAKER_00

Um I was playing football at the age of six, seven in a bit that's soccer in a big club, like famous club in our hometown of 15,000 inhabitants population. But uh then I got a flyer uh to join a table tennis club because the table tennis club that was in the end of 90s, end of 80s, end of 80s, oh my god, yeah, that was in 89, something like that. And uh the club was just asking, searching for new uh for new um uh pupils, new people to play table tennis. And um well, I went there, I played, um, and I already played it in the summer, in the summer camp in the Croatian seaside. I played a bit of table tennis, so it's like, oh, I like this. And then I came home a couple of times from both classes, from the football and then from table tennis, and my mom said, You know, you're you're you come dirty, you come all grass, your clothes are all green from football. If you come from table tennis, you're clean. I would rather that you stick there. That's my anecdote, and that's what I remember. So I stuck with uh table tennis in a financial way. Unfortunately, uh maybe I would be good in football, but in table tennis I did achieve a lot. Uh I could more uh if I would implement what I know now, but that's my journey. It's a great sport, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04

There was a movie. Um Bruce Almighty? What was the name of the movie that was up for an Oscar recently?

SPEAKER_00

That was No, that's in my um what's the the guy the S Shamel Timothy Shalom? Yeah, Timothy Shameth played it. Yeah, he played this guy, the Marty. Marty Supreme.

SPEAKER_04

Marty, Marty Supreme, yes. Sorry where I get that from. Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen a table tennis movie in a long time. Did you like the movie?

SPEAKER_00

Uh yes and no. It's too much AI. Uh, and I know a guy who's lived with Marty, who's played with Marty. Uh, I know a Dominican guy. Really? Yeah, he had uh his father was uh attaché living in a consulate in embassy from Dominican in uh in uh Washington. So he was living there his whole childhood in a way. Um and he met Marty, they played together, so he gave me a quite different introspect in Marty's life. So I was watching a movie more out of okay, what did they do now? What did they create? And uh but yeah, I like movies, I like watching movies, uh but in general, uh even Forrest Gump, if you remember, playing table tennis.

SPEAKER_04

That's right, that's right. I forgot, that's right.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I prefer living it, I prefer playing it, uh, even watching some some uh matches uh like that in live. You do you still play? Um yes and no. I haven't played it like I played maybe in 13 years, I played maybe twice or three times, but then last year I sort of got the itch, and last year I started playing back again almost weekly, and then in September and October last year I played it two, three, four times per week. Uh got back again, but I have an injury, I have a hip wear down, chronic injury, so I cannot do certain things, but I enjoy how I play now because it's a completely different experience. I'm way more rational, predictive, predictive, anticipative. I I just enjoy how I swing. Uh it's like nostalgic, and on in the other way, I'm playing like I would be playing if I knew what I know now, but I cannot move as much anymore. Or as I'm not as agile, I'm not as good.

SPEAKER_04

Do you does playing table tennis make you have more? I I played too as a kid, I loved it, but does it make you have more of appreciation, do you think, for the other paddle sports, tennis, pedel? Of course, here in the States, the whole um pickleball. Pickleball, it just slipped my mind. Yeah. Um, does it make you appreciate those at all more?

SPEAKER_00

I think if you are active or or uh yeah, an active athlete in any sport, uh, and you're like on this on the side of the lower ego and more awareness, you can appreciate uh anything. Also in general, uh working I was working a lot with moms, uh, like 15 years with a lot of ladies, and and you you begin to appreciate what does it involve all to be a mom, full-time mom, in that sense. And uh so yeah, it it's any sport, I think it can give you a lot of introspect and discipline and and understanding in general, I think.

SPEAKER_04

You mentioned your hip injury. I heard you say that it ended up being a blessing for you.

SPEAKER_00

Um not at first, but uh I think that um I think that every human being has a hero's journey. Yeah, not a lot of them come out of it. Not a lot of people write books or start a podcast. Um, although you might think so that you know, if you get banged on the head or on a hip or on your stomach or you get cancer, that that would be a wake-up call. Sadly, um, that's not what happens worldwide. A lot of people, yeah, they wither away or they still are drifted, even after they are healed, maybe in some way. But in my case, I could um because I always felt something will happen to me. For instance, I was a teenager and I was walking in the in our house from our bathroom to my room, uh, like with my eyes closed. What if I'm blind? I was preparing myself. I had that kind of control freakishness. Or then, like, I was using the other hand, what if I'm amputated? Like I had all these crazy ideas and I allowed them to flourish a bit. Uh, but uh and then I was already adult and I was thinking, something bad will happen to you, you'll see. And even after I had the hip injury, I was still thinking something bad will happen to you. I'm like, finally I realized it already did. Isn't this enough? Can't you learn from this shit situation? Sorry for the language, can't you just wake up? And I sort of started connecting the dots, seeing who I was, what was my demeanor, my behavior that brought me to this wearing down of my cartilage? Because if anything happens to you physically, it takes time. Even an accident, it's already predescribed years ago, uh decades ago, maybe that you're headed there if you do not change certain mentality. And I could rewire and and like what's that go back retrospectively who I was that enabled me to abuse my body as much physically, uh, who I was mentally, emotionally. So I started working on that as I did before. I was already meditating for almost 10 years, and yet, somewhat eight years, yeah, yet this has happened to me, and I was angry and I was frustrated, and I became depressed even because you cannot move. If you move, it's painful, and if you don't move, it's painful. And if you're not moving and you're depressed, you're a nuisance to anyone around you. So I was like I was in a deep hole, which slowly I started climbing out of. That was already that started in 2018, end of it, 1920. Then I already came out, but 21, yeah, a couple five years ago, it started more evidently that I found the right tool. It is clinical somatics, it is understanding the nervous system. And I've actually already prepared a lot of my knowledge, my education priorly, so that what I learned from clinical somatics and nervous system regulation just was on top of it, and it all combined, like it enabled me to finally break through personally and uh business-wise as well.

SPEAKER_04

So you were living with this chronic pain for a long time. You say you slowly came out of it. Was there one particular instance or did something happen to make that jump more more rapid?

SPEAKER_00

Um I I'd say jumps, and it's not rapid because um you go to um in a relationship, you behave in a certain way, and then after 15 years, you divorce, or 20. It may be the story. The same way is in the physical uh aspect. It's not like you get worse or you have gray hair over the night. It can happen, but it needs to be a stressful uh or some traumatic event. And I'd say that I was living in a certain way that was that I was destined to have this pain, which was also uh this injury uh as a consequence of my uh appendix surgery. That was back in 1988 when I was six years of age. And a lot of people that have appendix surgery they have a big scar, big incision, at least that was done like that so much time ago, and they cut the fascia, they cut all the tissue that then sort of cuts the cable, and you don't get the message from your parts of the body, which you then start using, abusing too much. So I would say it's a chain of events. Uh, and then when you start going, um like I had an epiphany on financial-wise because I was going very well financially end of 2010, in the first 10 years of 2000, and then 11, and then 12, I started going downward, and I was really low financially, and I was thinking, oh my god, a couple of years ago I was on top financially, and now I'm lower than the bottom. If I created the plus and I created the minus, it's me who's responsible for that. So, how can I do that? And then I just redid that uh on on the finite on the physical aspect of my body and emotional. Uh, I wasn't only um connected with finances anymore or the financial, the abundance aspect of life, but um holistically looking at it. So I was doing a lot of steps that were small jumps, maybe, and chain of events in the other direction, the positive one, the more healing one happened through through time.

SPEAKER_04

Looking at it now, you're right, dealing with that chronic pain for a long time. You you also talk to others about dealing with it. What are some things people should know about it?

SPEAKER_00

To slow down, because pain happens, or any like your situation, uh, your uh issues that you dealt with, it's it's all to slow us down. As we are, whether it's emotional, mental, or whatever, physical, workaholic or whatever, just freeze, don't breathe, stop because something has happened because you weren't paying attention. So now you're paying the price. That's what I say to everyone. And of course, I dilute it or dose it in the right amount appropriate to the individual that I'm talking to. Uh, because I also I had a lot of mentors in my life, and I was obnoxious, I was arrogant, I didn't listen, I didn't pay attention. Uh, like I mentioned from the childhood, I was on my own, my parents were working a lot, I found my ways, I was hiding a lot of things as a child. So, yeah, I was living like that as an adult until you realize you're not a child anymore, and everything you do is a price to pay. So be responsible, start being more mature, start solving more stuff than creating shit. That kind of way. Like you did that the same way, you know. You you also had an epiphany or some moments that brought you in a different direction, that you did different choices.

SPEAKER_04

You study human behavior for a long time, and what what do most people still don't understand about themselves?

SPEAKER_00

Uh how connected everything is. I think it's um it's too much of conscious, and nowadays, even also with AI, and before already with Google and all the information access, it's too much of conscious conscious understanding, but no subconscious doing or being, especially. Uh, a lot of people I talk to parents now, I work mainly now with parents of athletes and with athletes, of course, young athletes. Um, and it's a lot of um I know this, this shouldn't be like that. Uh, this is just emotions, this is just a game. Why is she like that? Why does he behave like that? Why does this happen? It's too much. I know consciously, and I look at it like very much from this technical point of view, but I don't get it. Well, you don't get it because subconsciousness is 90 or 95 percent. And until you dive deep into your shadows and your subconsciousness, until you do not become conscious of your patterns, you're just gonna be reliving and reaffirming them. So, this is what a lot of people do not get. And uh, they read books, they listen to podcasts, and they stay on this conscious level, which is only 5% or 10%, even if I'm exaggerating. Life is hidden somewhere else.

SPEAKER_04

This is purely anecdotal, you're right. And and indulge me if you will. I I've when I talk to friends, colleagues, uh, co-workers, I find they get stuck in one or more of these three ways. One is just trying to control things they can't control. Two is the whole holding off on happiness until something happens. I'll be happy when uh I get the raise, or if they treat me this way, or you know, kind of holding off on it when it's completely under your control. And then the third, again, this is anecdotal. This is my three. Um living either too far in the past. You know, this happened to me then, so that's the way I am now, or this is gonna happen in the future, so I better do this now. Purely anecdotal, but I just find these patterns happening.

SPEAKER_00

Thoughts. It's not uh only anecdotal. Thank you for sharing and um and putting it in a this way together, emphasizing it or or uh neatly. This is essential. This is what I what I encounter as well in working with myself and with clients. I've been a coach almost 20 years already. As I've studied, you mentioned I still study human behavior, I still observe this is my default, this is how I'm wired. So I encounter these patterns as well in different shapes or forms, in different manifestations of reality. And the thing is always, yeah, blaming, being a victim, and on the other side, being a narcissist or egomaniac, psychosis, depression, or you know, having excuses. But in the end of the day, if if and when you're like put in front of a wall, if we're specific, and it doesn't have to be a wall that partisans or Nazis encountered, if we're as uh uh spy movies like, um it's it's a wall of life that you just cannot climb over, or there's no exit, and then you're either faced with yourself or you blind yourself and you continue living blindly, and you continue having these excuses, but sooner or later, even if it's in the on your deathbed, that you do realize that's then it's already very late or too late. Uh, at least you can if you can. Some people do share, some take their knowledge and wisdom with them, sadly. But I prefer to to trailer error before, to be vulnerable before, to look at the wall and make maybe see a doorknob, maybe see a window there. Uh maybe you don't need to go over it or through it, you can go around it in some way, but you do need to go to the other side. You do need to confront what that wall represents. Uh, it can be chains. I've had visions and uh rituals and Reiki sessions of chains that I were on that I was on the bottom of the ocean, chained down to a big metal block uh that I was puking black stuff. I've done a lot of things, and and it also comes down to are you willing to endure discomfort, not go out of the comfort zone? How long and how and who are you in the discomfort? Can you stay yourself? Or I love that one guy said it's now it's now viral as well, video. Are you kind in your home? Not kind to strangers, but kind in your home where you are intimacy, where you are stripped naked, where everybody knows your details. Are you kind there and and are you kind to yourself? And I've gone through all of this stuff. I was not kind to myself, not even kind to the people near me that are kind to me. Um, and and that's um that's a difficult pillow to swallow, to swallow. Um, it's it's not comfortable, but this is where Grand Slam, this is where life, this is where abundance hides in this discomfort, in this like in the what's that slump dog millionaire movie? Uh the guy that fell in the shit. Uh this is where it hides. You cannot you can avoid it, but eventually you'll meet yourself, your own ego. Eventually you'll you'll meet that wall, yourself. So stop blinding your yeah.

SPEAKER_04

You mentioned talking about you mentioned uh tapping into your subconscious. How does one do that? How does one find what what's going on there? How does one try to recognize patterns that they have?

SPEAKER_00

Excellent question. Because uh not everyone likes the answer. Like I said before, slowing down. Yeah, if you don't slow down, the life will slow you down. Whether it's health, relationship, money, you know, all these three areas that are so important in life, um, eventually it slows us down. And and then when you slow down, you start seeing the patterns. It can be clinical somatics, which I do advise, it's slow movement, uh, adapted version clinical somatics, not as it was maybe 50 years or 70 years ago when it was invented or in some way. Um but slowing down, observing your shoulders, if one is moving differently than the other, that's already giving you a feedback and information. If you slow down when you drive, if you slow down when you eat, if you slow down in a restaurant, slow down and look at why you're complaining against the waiter again. What's the waiter got with your problems? Why are you you know putting it out on him or her? Uh slowing down in family. Uh, and with with I don't have a cell phone now here, I even forgot it. Thankfully, I forgot my cell phone. That's that's good to forget the cell phone somewhere. But uh putting it away and just being with your discomfort, being with that nasty, ugly, bad feeling that your mother-in-law or that your son is stirring up inside of you. Just be with that and express it. Nobody wants to be there anymore. And then we're asking why is this this consequence? Why do we have why does the World Health Organization have more and more diagnosis of diseases? Well, we're compressing the body, contracting it. What do you think? The body, like a car. If you drive the car bad, even Mercedes bands will have a lot of issues, and and they will be scratching their heads, the Mercedes technicians, how could you manage to pull out this tube? Yeah, well, if you drive it badly, it's gonna go south. So slowing down, slowing down, noticing the patterns, um, confronting writing, writing all the time, writing, writing notes, writing, writing, putting it out there, expressing. I use AI now, not to give me something, but I use AI to give me feedback that no psychiatrist or psychologist will give me, because no one will read my scriptures of years back. I just digitalize them, I put them in the AI, and say, put out the patterns. In a matter of seconds, I have all the patterns that I'm aware of, but I want to be aware of them, out. So I use it as a tool daily. I don't care. Any anyway, everyone um surveillance is surveillance around us. So if I put something in AI, whatever, I put it all in. They might use it in court against me. So if they will use it, they will use anything if I'll be on the court any any day soon or anytime or whatever. God forbid that that I'm good enough. But in that sense, uh, yeah, slowing down, confronting, observing, um, you know, like our dads or grandparents, they were just sitting. What are you doing? Nothing. I'm sitting here, I'm on a porch, I'm observing life, the neighbors, I'm drinking, sipping my coffee, my tea, smoking a cigar. That kind of life that was that is forgotten. And all this stressful life is just detaching us from our bodies. This is how we create different chronic issues, detaching us in relationships. This is how we create chronic divorces.

SPEAKER_04

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SPEAKER_00

Have you been to Dominican Republic?

SPEAKER_04

I have once, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Loved it. It's it's an island. It's an island Caribbean culture that lacks certain uh education culturally, that lacks a certain perspective, but what they lack in is on the other side they compensate with tranquilo, take it easy, tomorrow. Uh living the life now. That uh does hurt them sometimes because they drink today and eat today like there's no tomorrow and spend money today like there's no tomorrow. They they trash out the garbage like there's no tomorrow, but they live now. They are here, they have a weekend from Thursday to Monday. They know how to they have a they have a holiday, national holiday on a Wednesday, and in their constitution they can put it to Monday or to Friday, so they have a longer weekend. It's that approach. They live on an island and they think that they are the center of attention. Everybody comes to them. There are people that many of them, most of them, never left the country, never left the island. And everybody comes here. So like we must be good. Like you are a bit oblivious, a bit ignorant, but interesting. Ignorance sometimes is bliss, to a certain point, of course. So uh if you come from Europe like I am, from a very German-like country, Slovenia, uh, with roots in Balkans and roots in you know German mentality, it's a crazy mixture. Uh small mentality, small-mindedness, uh, everything is, you know, I farted in the eastern part of the country, and everybody in the western part that's 300 or 200 miles away knew about it. Wow. Um so when you come to a country like this, like Dominican, you bring a lot of baggage, yeah, and you also bring a lot of knowledge, which is an advantage if you know how to put it in the system and know how to flow with it. I cannot find with this, fight with this current. People don't respect here rules, they don't respect um agreements, so you just need to learn to be with it. I go to a shop and they want to scam me, but I scam them before scam. Like I triggered them before, and they say, Oh, you're a tigre, tiger. And I say, Well, I learned from the best. I live here for 12 years. I gotta be, otherwise, you're gonna you're gonna rip me off of my clothes. So I need to do something differently.

SPEAKER_03

Wow.

SPEAKER_00

So it has taught me how to step back, how to enjoy the ocean, how to just look at the palm trees. And I've done some for I've done thousands, like 100,000 photos and videos in these 12 years, but maybe 10 of them are from inside the ocean, like chest deep and looking at the palm trees. I always cherish those photos, and like I I say, if you want to have this view, you need to come here. I will not share this view. So it it does teach you to appreciate life, nature, um, sun itself, uh, like uh music, rhythm of life, the flow. It does give a lot of flavor to to the to life uh that that uh you cannot get in Europe because with my wife she's also Slovenian. We travel to our country and mainly over the summer, of course, yeah, but avoiding the winter. But uh it's uh yeah, it it gives you a different kind of introspect. You're not Europe is a beast. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it's much like the States, it can kinda it can eat you up, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it could just kind of consume you and not let you find your own self.

SPEAKER_00

Drains you, drive, drags you into certain agendas, channels. What does living consciously mean to you? Uh I have a group now, uh, like a couple of families, five, six families, and their children playing tennis on a high level, that is, like junior under 12, under 16, under 18. And um, like a lot of times I hear, and also in the past, I heard from uh from my clients well, if I'm conscious all the time on my breathing, if I'm conscious how I behave, that's so time energy consuming, it's exhausting. And I say, Well, try to be unconscious, try to live, let's see where that takes you and where that has taken you. That you need to give time and money to me that I teach you how to be conscious. Why are you here? So you put it on a uh scale. What's better to just live? Ah, let's live, whatever, or be conscious how you breathe, how what's your posture like, how you eat, how what's your demeanor, what's your emotion, how you express. Yeah, well, that this is so overwhelming. Yeah, well, isn't being sick overwhelming? Isn't having issues because you're blind in front of a wall and don't that you don't want to see? Isn't that overwhelming? Isn't being in pain because pain teaches you to be present. Issues teach you to be present and conscious. So, you know that saying, that quote, choose your heart. So that's what conscious means. Being present and it's in layers, it's a spiral, it's not consistent, it's not a flat surface, it's not Kansas, it's up and down, it's layers. Sometimes you're in Dante Alihieri in the cycles of hell, sometimes you're closer to heaven, and and when you realize that's life, then you then you learn to appreciate the colors and all the specters of life. So that's I think because I was a very much ego um by the book driven person because I understood if I behave, if I do like that, I'm gonna be successful. And and nothing that's in this form or way that's that's in conflict can be inside. That's exhausting to control life like that. I cannot be sad, I cannot think negative, I cannot do that. Of course, exactly that's gonna happen to you because you're avoiding.

SPEAKER_04

How do you know when your nervous system is overloaded, Ura? How does one know? What are some signs?

SPEAKER_00

Heart palpitation, yeah, uh, lack of breath breath, lack of air, uh your uh what's this eyelid uh twitching? Yeah, doing uh you you're frowning your forehead, uh tension in your jaw, uh tooth problems, uh shoulders, uh neck pain. Uh we say Hexenschuss in German. It's like your neck is that's all tension. That's all tension that's been stored, and it just comes out in the knee, in the hip, in the tooth, in relationship, in your wallet, in your bank account. You can see it. And then my people might react, well, then I'm F'd up. Yeah, we could say that the whole world is a bit effed up. Not not a lot of people are not. So, how are you dealing with this? How are you living in this chaos? How are you accepting it? How are you managing these colors of life? So, noticing all these small details, Chinese traditional Chinese medicine has this. Just look at your tongue, your eyelids, your your heartbeat, um, your your nails, you know, physical signs. You have physical, you have emotion signs, emotional outbursts or triggers. Now, I I prefer sleeping. I I I adore napping, nap to have a nap. Uh sleeping is the best recovery. But if you can relax, because if you go to bed and you're tense, you wake up tense. You need to know how to be relaxed, and when you're relaxed, then anything can help. And if you're tense, then even the best doctors cannot help.

SPEAKER_04

You mentioned slowing down to remedy this a lot. Is that also including kind of simplifying as well?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, minimalist minimalism, of course, uh deep decluttering, defragmenting, uh a lot of that, yes. Um slowing down in the sense of um something crossed my mind. Um well it will come back.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, simplifying minimalism, yeah, just taking out distractions. Yeah. So what are some of the hardest like internal battles that you've had that people don't see that some might some might learn from?

SPEAKER_00

Uh I think a lot of there there's types of people. Some are thinkers, some are like completely phlegmatic, like whatever. Uh, and some are workers, workaholics. I was all in some way, some areas more, some less, but I was overthinker, I was too much in my head. And clinical somatics and nervous system regulation, slowing down brings you down to your body because the body is 95%. You might equate it with subconsciousness. It's your hard drive, it's your working processor. The brain is just the interpreter. If you're just in the brain, like homo cerebrum that we've become instead of Homo sapiens, uh, it's a big issue that uh you just don't find ends meet, even if you have everything. A lot of people are completely destroying their lives. I was doing the same way. I had a I had a good life, but I made it difficult, I made it complicated because it wasn't complicated enough. You see how like crazy children do that. They are winning a match in whatever sport, or they have like they have the best iPhone, but they need to break it. It's like the subconsciousness when you have all these triggers that you're not aware of, or you have all these energies that you're not able to process and express, you you you suppress, or you this the distort even with interpretation, then things break. Then life shows you that something is not aligned and it's not in the flow. So um, yeah, I've had struggles wanting to be in the flow, and I read a book, I went on a table tennis competition, and I won it. And I'm like, this is it, I got it. I still have goosebumps, yeah. But then I was losing the next three months because I forgot about the book uh or the essence. So uh yeah, we we are attached to to outcomes. I was I still am struggling or getting out of this attachment to outcome. I I sit in a car and I need to be somewhere in 20 minutes. Well, you will be, maybe in 21, maybe in 19, but you will be. Not certainly, who knows what happens on the road, but pay attention. Don't worry about the outcome. The outcome will happen. How you are going, you know that the journey is the goal. Who you are, how you are on the journey. Uh I was a mad person on the journey in the road, in my life, in my relationships, in my intimacy, in my food, in my sport. I was a madman a lot of times, maybe not showing it on the outside, but people saw me. They saw my grumpy, you know. I have this here on my in the middle of my eyebrows. I was always frowning, I was always like this. People told me, Are you angry now? Or no, I'm just pissed off. I'm not angry. Kind of like, so it was a lot of that. I was um yeah, 30 years in wasting down my cartilage, slowly, you know, wasting it down in my hip. Um, had huge headaches a couple of years ago. Uh like headaches that were for hours long or days, not even, I couldn't say migraines, it was something else, like throbbing, like pain. And I didn't take a medicine. I said you you created it, now you endure it. Stay with it. But you need to be a bit crazy to do that. Not everyone's built like that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So physical pain, emotional pains. I I said things that I still feel shame about. But if I look back, I understand who where I was, who I was, and why I said it. It's also, you know, the other side needed to live that. We were playing both games. It's not only me. I'm not taking all the responsibility. I need to alleviate myself a bit. So, yeah, in that sense, uh like I mentioned already, financial stupid things that I did, or choices, or or um believing, not not that people scammed me. I believed in myself and I didn't read the disclaimer or the small print, or I didn't, you know, take the time. I just felt, yeah, yeah, of course we're gonna do this. Come on, like you know, that American mentality. If I put a bit of label on Americans, let's go. And then you're like, what? Where did I go? What now? Let's go more.

SPEAKER_02

So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And then you continue the same way until you're like, no, can I can I just please stop? Can I just do something different? Just disrupt, don't do it again. But but I this is the only thing I know, the only way I no, you don't just do differently. And then you stop. And then I didn't work for a year, I didn't earn for a year, basically, in a way. Um, I I I risked risked it all, but I needed to get ready to be able to risk it all. I needed to be ready to. stop and slow down everything. Also that takes time. It's always in layers. And people say when it will finally slow when it will finally stop and when it will finally everything be okay. Yeah when you learn when you're in your casket or in your you know basket going downwards then. Until then it's life. You you arrange something some people have issues problems that they don't have a thousand podcast listeners. Some people have a million listeners. It's always a problem. You're always gonna have a problem so that's life.

SPEAKER_04

So if we go back 10 years if we go just back 10 years from now what's something that you firmly believed in then that you no longer believe now?

SPEAKER_00

Meditation? Passive meditation that might work for some people for majority no because it's passive. A lot of people have gotten depressed because of just passively meditating and stopping down their thoughts. You need our brain our nervous system is built for survival and to be occupied. That's biology anatomy fact I didn't invent this it's not anecdotal we need to be occupied. I have a friend she studied in Berkeley neuroscience our brain needs to have something to work on it it's a monkey brain. So how do you use this? How do you use this tool? Then I believed in yeah vegan vegan being a vegan I'm not a vegan anymore. A couple of years ago I went to Argentina and I knew that traveling to Argentina is not going to be good to be a vegan. So either you're gonna start start eating uh beef again I eat only beef mainly mainly uh I don't eat and I don't eat every day because as a child I was eating meat three times per day in all forms and every meat now it's beef maybe twice per month uh twice per week or something um here or there so uh yeah I believed in that I believed in in principles in in in written in stone things beliefs oh my god was my life shattered in not in bits and pieces in defragmented in fragments and fractiles wow so yeah I've I've changed so much in 10 years that I can I don't even just yesterday I was thinking like do you remember your who you were just yesterday this this thought crossed me that you asked me now and it's like um like 10 years ago I would be like oh I've changed I've this I would still have certain like uh proud aspect to it now I'm like yeah okay I'm leaving I'm here so whatever I've changed okay continue what next what's the flow how do I feel how can I make others feel I love the Maya Angelo that's it I had a lot of um instinct in intellect and and intuitive knowledge a lot of it a lot of conscious knowledge but I was not living it uh like with the meat I was not giving it a life I was not putting it in action I knew a lot of things I I was smart as to a lot of people people paid me to be their smartest now I'm like I'm more quiet although now it might not seem I'm talking but um for myself I'm more quiet and I'm more observant and um all these beliefs and all these principles are shattered and and uh I just don't know I just stop doing that not worth it is there a question you wished more people asked you uh instead of uh what's wrong with me uh why is this happening or what can I do or how fast will I change or how much time I want to be there and then everything like you said will be good then I will be happy um I wish more people would just like say Yuri can you just look me in the eye can you just can you just slow down with me can we just can you just transfer some of your wisdom in a very non-verbal non-expressive way can I align with you not with me me it's not that I uh uh encountered Mars or uh or water on on planet earth it's just that my experience as a certain approach has given me big changes also becoming a dad quite soon in a matter of weeks that I could not imagine 10 years ago I didn't even know if I wanted to be a dad it was more of a desire and a reproductive need and I wouldn't be able to handle not the pregnancy not the after what's coming uh because I would lose my mind over thinking and over scenarios and calculating everything being uh control free so yeah that people would ask me um that they would come more vulnerable because people still have if they have issues of course they're not vulnerable and of course they're hiding their issues uh they don't want to open themselves up in that way and then express and say I have an issue they just you know mumble jumble around something and I need to poke and poke and poke and after an hour they finally start crying a bit and they say well because yeah and then I'm like oh my god finally or I notice that someone's like having this sigh moment and they don't even notice it I'm like ooh ooh if they would ask me can you produce a sigh moment for me like that sigh of relief sigh moment yeah that's that's what I would like in my clients and in my yeah life more of I produce it it's a challenge for me it's my spy movie I'm a spy in in this programs and patterns of people I I read between the lines I notice yeah so I started my uh I think I'm a little bit older but I started my business in the 90s and I was uh working way too hard like you just said I just was not pulling over I was just go go go it was 14 16 hour days and I was in my 20s I I felt I was indestructible and I wasn't exercising anymore I wasn't playing any soccer or baseball or anything and developing bad diet habits so the next thing I know I'm in front of the doctor and she tells me I'm at 340 pounds. So I had gained all this terrible amount of weight and she says to me if you don't lose this weight you're not gonna see your daughter graduate and so that that scared the life out of me and made me re-change everything it was it was her way of making me slow down wasn't it and I spent the next six seven months I lost about 120 pounds and you alluded to this earlier and then when people ask me how how'd you do it I always hate discipline right focus motivation routine how does discipline play a role in your life like anything in life do you hear me because I think it's a bit of uh internet connection no you don't hear me I hear you I hear you just fine okay no problem like anything in life whether it's flow being in the zone discipline um endurance uh what else do people have like you know that are praising um I'm not saying that you're praising just discipline but it's just one terminology or just one side of the story or praying even anything in life that you do of course you need to commit you need to have big pain enough enough big of a pain that produces a change you know change happens like Tony Robbins or whoever said it when when the pain of not changing is bigger than the pain of changing until then when you know the pain of staying the same is good you're not gonna change because that change is too you know it's not big pain enough in that say yeah not too much yeah not not too much but too little so um when because I started with discipline I heard yeah you you are an athlete you need to be disciplined and then I forced myself to be disciplined but immediately when you're forcing you're in contraction you're in survival threat mode you're in sympathetic so whoever is doing discipline and it's just imposing themselves under rigid strict rules it's not gonna cut the chase even if it's the best approach discipline first you need to teach your mind your nervous system your body that you're not in survival mode and then you can use whichever that's why methods function whichever method it may be discipline it may be the flow it may be the one it may be the Bible it may be this church or that thing or this coach because you finally feel safe you finally feel at home you finally feel that you have space to be even sick fat lost confused broke whatever divorce and when you feel safe then is that the change starts happening because I was forcing to be disciplined and I love discipline I love order discipline for me is being having things in order I love and and when I see my wife she's not as in order maybe in some things you know always the opposite's a bit attract she's just the other side of the coin I I needed to be less disciplined because I was I was a nagging disciplined person in order and that's not good you're disciplined but you're nagging you're frustrated and you're frustrating everyone around you and I love that Maya Angelo saying uh it's not who you are but it's how you make other people feel around you and it's not with people pleasing it's with you being a good person like literally sometimes you also have to say no and they will feel bad but eventually they will be like oh my god thank you for saying no to me so in that kind of way uh I see discipline as a part of a puzzle a bigger puzzle and it all needs to be set up that your nervous system is able to withstand the discomfort of discipline because this discipline can be discomfort it's easier to not be disciplined it's easier to eat chips it's easier to just lie down on the sofa I've done that it's easier to not train I've done that it's easier to smoke it's easier to drink it's easier alcohol it's easier but having a discipline maintaining it and not feeling under threat that's why a lot of people collapse uh big performers also disciplined performers whether it's business uh whether it's a show business sport uh they are disciplined and they are in order but they collapse eventually a lot of them are are are on in drugs uh not only you know uh pharmaceutical but also recreational drugs so in that kind of sense uh I feel that there's a layer necessary or in the process that people start understanding I can be disciplined and in order if it's not putting more strain on me in that sense that it's making me more contracted I need to have that balance between contraction and total expansion total relaxation there's someone in between where we are pulsating where we are you know functioning pulsating yeah vibrating as a kid was discipline talked about in your household was it kind of exemplified how was it viewed then um I come from Yugoslavia I was born in the beginning of the 80s uh it was a communist socialist country and it was abundance we had a leader like that that provided abundance in a way as well we were connected to the east and to the west so I'm just giving a background check on the cultural shifts and cultural in influences on me and of course work was respected uh enduring feign was respected and actually uh applauded it still is in some way uh helping others of course uh the society so all of this is deeply ingrained in me through different you know rituals different educational patterns and and and events sport and uh national events that were in the 80s and then forward on when we were a young country of Slovenia by the way Slovenia is the only country that has love in the name of it Slovenia love. So so I always like to mention that so um my upbringing or my discipline was in the sense um yeah you need to work you cannot just be lazy uh and not that my parents had anything bad to say or or demonstrate they were just working they were workaholics in a way um you know you we didn't know how to be without a TV or we had fun we we knew how to be without a TV but it needed to be a party like mom was cooking a lot and hosting a lot of people um but it was always action um always something you know moving rarely it was like nowadays my mom says I'm doing nothing and I'm doing it slowly it's nowadays that she's learned in the last couple of maybe years or decade that she started understanding more to not work as much or not be in in in in drive all the time so discipline was uh portrayed and triggered through those kind of channels working active helping I felt guilt I was watching TV and my dad was working downstairs in in his workshop and my mom as a as a my dad was a tapestry he was doing Zofas and a lot of you know tapestry and my mom was a dressmaker so they were working all day my dad came from the job and he continued working or he was doing something around the house and I was watching TV I felt guilty I was watching Seinfeld but I was exhausted I had school from 7 a.m till 2 p.m then I had table tennis class then I did homework then I was cooking or cleaning at home then I did uh then I was exhausted then I had another table tennis uh practice from 7 to 9 p.m so it was all day every day and in the weekdays and weekends it was competition I didn't have days off I had a mental breakdown when I was 15 because I had two three summers without a break always just playing and competing on different levels. So in that kind of way I had the you know that's also a good question because this is how I got the discipline ingrained and and that's why it's important to talk and to uh express what's the meaning behind that's why when I talk to people what do you mean by that what what does it mean for you because you come from a different cultural background different you know things settings so you understand it differently I want to ask you know I got to know you over the last hour or so but how often it's a science versus art question for you.

SPEAKER_04

I I see there's a lot of data but you have to slow down you know you you teach people how to slow down you you slow down yourself. How often do you rely on your gut to make decisions? I just didn't get the first part of the question science or science versus art art yes so in other words raw data versus your gut you know um when you're making decisions are you getting data are you asking your gut in the beginning of the end are you not asking it at all how much data to use you know when you run your life how much of it is art and how much of it is science?

SPEAKER_00

Great great I like this uh approach or question um I like I mentioned I was a very extremist kind of guy I wanted to be only gut or only science if I'm very rigid. Yeah and then slowly I started shaping and combining and um molding them together. It's the best of the both worlds we cannot just have alternative medicine as we cannot just have this crazy science approach pharmaceutical medicine it needs to be working hand in hand. We cannot have it's a union it's where we are going it's the age of Aquarius it's the age of a woman it's the age of connecting the the female and male it's not one thing is prevalent it can be in some cases but it's always the other one in the secondary not predominant stage in the background so it I work hand in hand. Some days I'm more gut intuitive some periods even some days I'm more I need data I need that it it's depending even men have cycles although they are more daily women have a 28 day cycle hormonal and so on and then of course different aftermanopause but um I think it has to go work uh hand in hand uh it's connected taking the best out of the out of the boat what motivates you here now alive being alive I I I I ask myself the same question what am I doing? Why am I alive? What's my purpose do I want to live? Not in the sense of you know suicidal or anything but in the sense of like I'm sometimes I'm asking myself what if aliens are watching and they are not familiar with this planet or with this way of life what would they think there's a person playing tennis and then elevating a trophy I'm thinking like with a blank blank mind you know of an alien and it's like what why like I'm trying to find that really raw purpose and the same with me.

SPEAKER_04

So what motivates me is this raw purpose um connected to the essence of life um searching this studying this connecting like I mentioned interdisciplinary um molding combining this is what drives me what um inspires me what moves me and touches me and this is what I share forward want to show your love for discipline inspiration and the Joey Pins podcast now's your chance introducing the brand new Joy Pins merch store where style eats discipline choose from premium apparel cozy hoodies stylish hats durable bags and your new favorite coffee box all featuring the iconic Joey Pins perfect for podcast fans discipline enthusiasts or as a unique gift of friends and fans every purchase supports the Joey Pins Discipline Conversation podcast helping us continue to inspire greatness and promote positive channels visit joeypins.com slash store today Joey Pins merch wear it share it and live it I you didn't say it but curiosity learning um yeah I think it's a part of it yeah of course I'm curious but it's maybe so much ingrained that I that it's so obvious that I don't even you know uh express it as as as in this way yeah yeah so given that motivation of of life of purpose of curiosity of learning how do you measure success you're right um amazing question I've always wanted to write journals and I've written them when I was 11 years old I've written five pages and then I stopped for months or maybe years and then when I was 13 or 15 or 16 I've written pages for a while and then stopped.

SPEAKER_00

Now I'm writing a journal for a year and a half every day even if it's just what I ate or what happened. But most of the days I have some insights um so what was the question? How do you measure success yeah yeah yeah yeah success yeah that's where I was going um and that's what I'm asking myself or that's why I'm doing this introspect retrospect daily and using the AI as well to to point me in the things that I don't see or maybe that I'm too much overwhelmed yet still uh and what what I see as success is am I becoming a better human being 01 point 0.1% daily am I um because this is learning this is improving you learn you trial error phase and then you improve um and this is how I see life and this is my success it's not measured in achieving a great one thing because that great one thing whether it's a trophy whether it's money whether it's relationship it's a daily grind daily hustle if you like daily discipline daily putting in consistent steps you reach the Santiago de Compostela after 800 kilometers of the northern coast of Spain daily putting in kilometers I haven't done it a lot of friends have done I've got other things uh just giving it as an example and it's daily daily well this is success uh because a lot of people for instance um I have uh clients ask me athletes or business people uh high performers uh in before certain match before certain uh negotiation before certain uh meeting uh I'm afraid I'm struggling I'm blocked I feel this I'm anxiety I'm like stop why what's in your mind that you're comparing the present And the result that you wish for, what is it in your mind, such a high-level standard outcome that would represent success for you? And where are you now? Can we take that down and meet here your level of success or expectation? Like I said, whether it's business or athlete or relationship or whatever, can we just see life as it is now, the reality? And this is success for me because when you are present, when you're conscious, then you go out there on the field and you play. You play the game, you do that content, you're on the journey. You're not the hero. You maybe become the hero or not, but you're on the journey and you live it. And this is what I'm inspired. Every movie or book I read or a movie I see. I'm inspired by the people that have found themselves. That they just live. And I'm like, oh, he's happy, he just lives. He doesn't need this or that kind of jewel or trophy or whatever event. It's good, it's nice to have diploma, it's nice to have a degree, it's nice to have trophies, but that's not the deal. That's not the grind. Daily, daily steps. This is uh this is success.

SPEAKER_03

That's wonderful.

SPEAKER_04

I uh I was really excited when we set this up, Yurey, and um really, really glad we talked today. People watching or listening, how can they get in touch with you? Thanks so much for your time today.

SPEAKER_00

Uh I thank you for your time, Joey. Thank you for for doing what you're doing, for being who you are, and that you've endured your discomfort and still are.

SPEAKER_04

I I I I look for so TikTok, you're on my goodness, you're on LinkedIn, I got you on YouTube, and the podcast. What how do you like doing the podcast?

SPEAKER_00

Uh I am accessible on social media, genuineathletejk. Uh I have a the genuineathlete.com page. I have a tool prepared. Um, what's that word? A diagnostical tool, because people don't know who they are under pressure. So I have that ready. Um that you will probably share so that that you know, oh, I am this under pressure, because I think crucial moments of pressure determine our life. If we are not performing under pressure, then the rest of the life when we don't have pressure is not as pleasant, it's not as successful, not as pleasurable. So I think this is also success for me. Who you who are you under pressure? And then you can handle more pressure, and when you handle more pressure, a lot of things can happen.

SPEAKER_04

Sure can. Can I thank you for your time, Yure? Next time I'm down there in Puta Khan, I hope to get together, we'll have a cup of tea.

SPEAKER_00

Please! And a pinacolala, no alcohol. Sounds good. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04

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